Friday, February 15, 2013

How Many Christians Really Want to Abolish Abortion?

Abortion is Murder and Those Who Abort are Murderers

We use "If/Then reasoning every day of our lives. "If/Then" is used in engineering to show that the results are dependent on the qualifier. Such reasoning can be defined this way:
"Every geometry proof is a sequence of deductions that use if-then logic. You write one of the given facts as statement 1. Then, for statement 2, you put something that follows from statement 1 and write your justification for that in the reason column. Then you proceed to statement 3, and so on, till you get to the prove statement. The way you get from statement 1 to statement 2, from statement 2 to statement 3, and so on is by using if-then logic."
In grammatical studies, the "if/then" sentence construction is known as an "appositive." An appositive is a noun, noun phrase, or series of nouns placed next to another word or phrase to identify or rename it.

In logic, the "if/then" thought process is known as a "tautology." Simply put, a tautology is saying the same thing twice. Here are some examples:

A person who steals is a thief.

A person who lies is a liar.

A person who commits adultery is an adulterer.

A person who rapes is a rapist.

A person who engages in sexual activity outside the confines of marriage (one man to one woman) is a fornicator.

A person who is not content with what God has provided for them is a coveter.

A person who takes the name of God in vain is a blasphemer.

A person who sexually preys on children is a pedophile, a child molester.

A person who takes someone hostage and holds that person against his or her will is a kidnapper.

A person who kills another human being with premeditation and malice aforethought is a murderer.

By definition, regardless of any present laws in place protecting the act, abortion is murder. To end the life of an unborn human being, one who is knit together by God in his or her mother's womb (Psalm 139:13), one who is created by God and in His image (Genesis 1:26-27; Genesis 9:6). While abortion may not yet be a violation of man's law, it is a violation of God's Law (Exodus 20:13).

Therefore...

Women who have abortions are murderers.

Doctors who perform abortions are murderers.

Men who assist their wives, daughters, girlfriends, friends, or prostitutes in any way to have an abortion are accessories to murder.

Women who assist their sisters, daughters, friends in any way to have an abortion are accessories to murder.

And I stand for the abolition of the murder of unborn children, which means I stand for the criminalization of the murder of unborn children.

Abolition Requires Criminalization

To abolish something is to destroy or annul it; to end the observance or effect of; as in abolishing a law. To abolish something that was, up to the point of its abolition, legal is to criminalize that which was abolished.

To abolish slavery is to criminalize slavery. So true is this that now in most states, certainly in my own state (California), to even restrain, confine, or detain someone without their consent is considered a crime -- the crime of false imprisonment.

If the speed limit on a given roadway is reduced from 50 mph to 25 mph, it is now illegal to drive on that roadway at 50 mph.

If the legal blood alcohol level is reduced from .10% to .08%, then while .09% was once under the legal limit it is now over the legal limit.

If the minimum age for a driver's license was increased from 16 years of age to 18 years of age, then it would be illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to operate a vehicle on a public street.

You cannot abolish a law which once allowed for a given act/behavior without then making the performance of that act/behavior a criminal offense.

To abolish abortion is to criminalize abortion. To criminalize abortion is to apply the same penalties and punishments to women who have abortions, to the doctors who perform abortions, and to people who assist women in having abortions--the same punishments as would be applied to anyone who committed or aided in a murder of another human being.

I can imagine the ranting and raving unbelievers must be doing right now in front of their computer screens--especially the atheists who troll this site and then scurry back to their brethren to angrily wax un-eloquently with the false bravado of Internet anonymity. But I also wonder how many Christians just gasped. How many Christians just felt a knot in their stomachs? How many Christians just winced? How many Christians are already muttering reasons we shouldn't go that far to end abortion?

Yes, I wonder how many Christians really want to abolish abortion. I think many (if not most) Christians believe abortion can be abolished through the work of the Church, without a certain level of militancy in the effort. I disagree.

Militancy

I asked my wife to read the first draft of this article, up to this point. Like maybe some of you reading this, she said, "It sounds militant." I answered, "It is."

The dictionary defines militant as follows:
Adj.

1. Fighting or warring.

2. Having a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist.

n.

A fighting, warring, or aggressive person or party
A call today for the abolition of abortion is as militant as the call to abolish slavery was almost 200 years ago. Yet, as with the slavery abolition movement of long ago, today's abortion abolition movement includes various forms and degrees of militancy.

Yes, there was John Brown who took militancy to abolish slavery to an ungodly and violent level. But there were others who, in keeping with their Christian faith, were able to maintain a non-violent level of militancy and agitation that God used to effect change--people like William Lloyd Garrison and Harriet Beecher Stowe.

The latter, of course, is the militancy to which I subscribe--a non-violent agitation toward ideologies, systems, and groups and individuals who support, provide, perform abortions, and yes, toward those who abort their babies. Some may then ask, "Well, if you want to outlaw abortion and legally make it tantamount to another form of murder, then are you suggesting that Christians should take it upon themselves to use deadly force to stop the murder of an unborn child?"

The answer to the question is "no." Christians are not to operate as vigilantes (Romans 12:18-20; Hebrews 10:30-31), taking the law into our own hands. This is why God has instituted governing authorities (Romans 13:1-5).

The only way the abortion abolitionist movement will be truly biblical, truly Christlike, is if militancy is balanced with love.

Balance

The Christian abortion abolition movement is growing. I'm glad to see it grow, in part, due to an increased awareness in the biblical open-air preaching community of the importance of abortion ministry. The open-air preaching community is bringing more men into the fight against abortion (1 Corinthians 16:13). For far too long women have shouldered the burden of leading and fighting this fight on the front lines--at the front doors of the abortuaries. And with the increased number of open-air preachers joining the fight, there seems to be an exponential increase of pro-life/abolition chatter on social media, blogs, and websites. I have written somewhat of a guide of how to preach at an abortion clinic.

The zeal, passion, fervency, and sense of urgency in the Christian abortion abolition community is commendable and warranted. After all, let us not forget that more than 3,000 unborn children are murdered every day in the United States. But the Christians' zeal, passion fervency, and sense of urgency must be tempered with Christ-likeness. Nothing in the fight to abolish abortion justifies or excuses sinful behavior, whether in thought, word, or deed. Any argument to the contrary is an argument predicated upon the errant idea of "righteous sinfulness"--an argument that puts the professed believer in opposition to God and His Word.

This is not to say the abolitionist's rhetoric cannot be pointed (Matthew 23:1-39), even piercing at times (Matthew 3:7; Matthew 12:34; Matthew 23:33). This is not to say words like "murder" cannot or ought not be used (James 4:2). This is not to say that those who murder unborn children or those who aid and abet the murder of unborn children should not be called to repent (Luke 13:1-5) of such wickedness before they carry out the bloody act . There is nothing wrong with calling to a woman walking into an abortuary in a loud voice and saying, "Please don't murder your baby!"

Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with praying that the abortuary goes out of business. There is nothing wrong with applying pressure on the abortuary to leave the location through effective, peaceful, law-abiding abolition activity. Likewise, there is nothing wrong with praying that every business sharing a building with an abortuary goes out of business or is forced to vacate the property as they tacitly or overtly support the murder of unborn children by their continued presence. And there is nothing wrong with the abortion abolitionist letting nearby business owners know that his or her concern for the lives of unborn children is far greater than their concern for the nearby business owners' "bottom line." Agitation comes with abolition activity. Lives are at stake. There is nothing wrong with praying imprecatory prayers asking God to stop evil, so long as such prayers do not ask God to damn sinners.

Christians must maintain a balance between asking God to stop the evil of abortion and the evil people involved in abortion, while remembering to love their enemies (Matthew 5:43-45), asking God to save them (Acts 26:27-29).

Every act performed (James 2:11-13) and every word uttered (Colossians 4:6) by the Christian abolitionist must be governed by the Word of God, for the Glory of God. All abolition activity must be tempered by a heart's desire to fulfill the two greatest commandments (Matthew 22:34-39) in the endeavor--to love God and to love people (1 Corinthians 16:14; James 2:8). Everything done in the name of saving unborn children must be predicated upon a heart's desire to see sinners (even murderers; see Acts 9:1-9) come to genuine repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10) and faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9)--to sincerely hope we will one day see them in Heaven (1 Peter 1:3-5).

For the Christian abortion abolitionist, joyful and willing submission to the authority of God's Word (Psalm 119:97; Psalm 119:165), to see God glorified in every effort (1 Corinthians 10:31) and to live in conformity to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29) must take priority over all else--even the saving of unborn children's lives. The Christian's abortion abolition work must be preceded and motivated by these spiritual, righteous goals. If not, then the Christian abortion abolitionist's work is more akin to idolatry (1 Corinthians 10:1-13) than faithfulness to Christ (1 Corinthians 4:2).

And the great leveler, the scale upon which militancy and love will be weighed, the barometer that will gauge whether or not the applied pressure of the abortion abolition effort is truly biblical, the thermometer that will determine the true temperature (hot or cold) of the movement, and the pollster that will determine the genuineness of the resultant effectiveness of the fight will be the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Gospel

Yes, Christian abortion abolitionists want to save the physical lives of unborn children--every unborn child. However, without the gospel of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:21-26; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; 2 Corinthians 5:21)...

The abortion abolition movement will be just another exercise in humanism.

The abortion abolition movement will have no eternal, spiritual impact (Romans 1:16; Romans 10:14-17; 1 Corinthians 2:13-14).

The abortion abolition movement might change the minds of some would-be murderers, but they will remain on the fast track to Hell (John 8:24; 2 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 2:1-10).

The abortion abolition movement will seek to glorify abolitionists instead of seeking to honor, praise, and glorify the only One who is worthy of it all--Jesus Christ (Psalm 105:3; Proverbs 25:27; Isaiah 42:8; John 7:18; Revelation 5:11-13).

The abortion abolition movement will degrade into yet another blasphemous exercise in ecumenism with practitioners of false religions, such as Roman Catholicism (2 Corinthians 6:14-18).

The gospel must be and must always remain central in the motivation and tactics of the abortion abolition movement. Him we proclaim (Colossians 1:28); know nothing except Christ and Him crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2); so we preach and so you believed (1 Corinthians 15:11): such is the necessity of the centrality of the gospel, in the abortion abolition movement! Without the gospel of Jesus Christ, the abortion abolition movement is a work of men, not of God.

Conclusion

I am a Christian abortion abolitionist.

I understand that not only is abortion murder, but those who are involved in the murder of unborn children are murderers. Without the criminalization of abortion, the abolition of abortion will be incomplete. Those who murder unborn children or aid and abet the murder of unborn children should be punished accordingly.

I understand that a certain level of militancy is necessary to bring about the abolition of abortion. Militancy must be governed by the Word of God and tempered by a genuine love for God and love for people if that militancy is to be truly biblical and Christ-honoring.

I understand that without the centrality of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the proclamation of the gospel, the abortion abolition movement will degrade into just another humanistic (Acts 17:24-26), unloving (Matthew 25:31-46; Luke 11:42), spiritually impotent (2 Chronicles 20:12), man-centered and man-glorifying (Galatians 1:10), ecumenical (Ephesians 5:6-11), sinful (Romans 14:23b) exercise.

My hope and prayer is that God will bless the Christian abortion abolition movement, knowing that will only come to pass if the movement draws closer to Jesus Christ with every step in the fight for the lives of unborn children.

How many Christians really want to abolish abortion? At the moment, I fear the numbers may be lower than I once thought.

It's much easier to be "pro-life" when one can keep himself from thinking about what the abolition of abortion will mean to those who insist on murdering their children once abortion is outlawed. It's much easier, cleaner, tidier to be "pro-life" when one can keep herself from considering the cause-and-effect reality that the end of abortion will mean the beginning of real, penal consequences for the crime of abortion. But Christians cannot truly enjoy their sweet "pro-life" cake without the bitter frosting of the criminalization of abortion and the judicial punishment of those who commit the crime.

So ask yourself the following question. Do I really want to abolish abortion? Do I really?

40 comments:

  1. Thank You Tony, I will share this.

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  2. Tony, I am happy to associate myself with your comments, and agree with them.

    One issue might be worth considering, that I don't think you were hard enough on. You say "Men who assist their wives, daughters, girlfriends, friends, or prostitutes in any way to have an abortion are accessories to murder." I agree. But the situation often goes beyond mere "assistance". I suggest that in many cases these men have COERCED these women into having abortions. Does this not make them more than "accessories to murder", and actually makes them murderers?

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  3. I am sorry, But I am a Christian and your heart is right and granted open air preaching adds a new dynamic that I may not be completely factoring into my following comments. Abortion is the single biggest distraction of Christians from the work of evangelism I have ever witnessed. Since you are right that most Christians will feel like they have accomplished their primary objective when the woman follows through on her pregnancy these women then will continue merrily on their path to hell. Christians can raise the victory flag for another life saved and move on to the next woman. Whatttt? Since when are Christians charged with keeping sinners from sinning? It is like band-aiding tumors. A verse in the book of Enoch (not inspired but very old) says that demons taught women how to end their pregnancies showing the concept of this evil is as old as the world... if you think rape is bad now ... think of what it was like in Noah's time... violent all the time! But yet, Jesus, Peter, Paul, John... never mention crusading against this or the evils of Child sacrifice which was likely still going on all over the world. On the way to the cross Jesus said, weep not for me but weep for you children for the day is coming when men will say blessed (in essence) is the woman who can not give birth. Folks we are there! But yet there is silence on this subject from the scriptures. Folks, the sinner will sin! We can't cure the sickness by eliminating the symptoms. We have to attack the disease of sin... but Christ is the only cure for the disease. The problem Tony is that most people reading this will only see what they want to see. Francis Schaffer went this direction and was more explicit in his call for outright illegal behavior by believers to stave off abortions. Total distraction! The Christian manifesto was great right up until he wrote the portions on civil disobediance and activism. Out of his writings almost assuredly came the bombings of the clinics etc. So, why should we care what the law of the land states about the legality of murder? Why are we surprised that sinners sin and do it so well? If all sin leads to death and "The judge of all the earth will do right?" are we more worried over the lives of the unborn.. is it an indirect slight on God that we don't think he is just in his judgement of those souls killed in abortion. Why don't we chase adultry and liars and blasphemers... those sins are all legal. Lets ask a differant question. If a murderer inadvertantly kills himself in the process of murdering do we rejoice as believers? So, if we believe God is just with those murdered unborn souls and the sinner will be flat out sinning to her/his full potential what then should the Christians concern be? The life of the mother. Right now, these women are sinning in the open, we can see it and deal with it through christian counseling...which leads to evangelism or is evangelism... the open air preaching is a new dynamic for me... but good. But if the law of the land changes what will happen? Will sinners stop sinning? Nope, but now the chances of dying in some back alley clinic that Christians won't know about will increase. Have we no concern for the murderer? You have all hated your brother at one time, all of you are murderers! Wake up! Put away this distraction of changing the law of the land. Deal with the sinners!

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    1. Robert,

      Campaigning to abolish abortion is not a distraction from the work of evangelism. It IS the work of evangelism. Read again the section titled "Gospel." He is not at all advocating humanism or some social gospel where we focus so much on doing good social deeds that we do not tell people about Jesus Christ. No. Rather, in the process of pleading with people not to have abortions, you share with them the good news of Jesus Christ.

      Read what he writes: "The gospel must be and must always remain central in the motivation and tactics of the abortion abolition movement. Him we proclaim (Colossians 1:28); know nothing except Christ and Him crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2); so we preach and so you believed (1 Corinthians 15:11): such is the necessity of the centrality of the gospel, in the abortion abolition movement! Without the gospel of Jesus Christ, the abortion abolition movement is a work of men, not of God."

      He recognizes that without the Gospel, you might be able to change the mind of would-be murderers, but they are still on the path to hell. That is why the Gospel is essential. It is the only thing that can change unbelievers. What is happening is the work of evangelism, not a distraction from it. We are not charged with keeping sinners from sinning, but we are mandated to go into all the world and preach the Gospel and call men to repent and believe in Jesus Christ. That is precisely what those going to abortion clinics are doing. They are showing people their sins and calling them to repent and put their trust in Jesus Christ, who alone is able to save them from their sins. Going to abortion clinics is a work of the Great Commission. It saddens me that you would try and hinder the abolitionist work done by many where people are being reached with the good news of Jesus Christ.

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    2. Christians don't have a responsibility to love their neighbors as themselves? You should go back and read this article again if you think this is not about the gospel. If you can chew gum and walk without choking on your gum you can probably take the gospel to the clinic just like you can take it anywhere else.

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  4. Brother Tony,

    Thank you so much for this. It is wonderful to see the Lord at work in all different parts of the country.
    Abolition is growing.

    There are several abolitionists of human abortion involved with Abolish Human Abortion that would love to strategise more with you and talk about abolition on your podcast, myself included.
    Possible?

    Grace and peace
    Rhology

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  5. Your definitions are wrong. You said, "A person who kills another human being with premeditation and malice aforethought is a murderer." Wrong. An executioner does exactly that but is not a murderer. A soldier on the battled field may do that but is not a murderer. Murder is the *illegal* taking of human life. We need to stop using the word "murderer" for women who have aborted as it ends the conversation and >>more importantly<< is not the truth. It's legal, therefore "killing," not "murder." Women and doctors who do this need to be shown the way - not vilified. I like the approach of the anti-cigarette movement. Teach people why it's harmful (in our case first to the mother and society). Teach people that the baby is a living human being. Encourage people not to do it. Give people viable alternatives. Bring in incremental restrictions that make it more and more difficult. This is the path to the conclusion we want - an end to abortion. In the Spielberg movie "Lincoln" the President talks to Rep. Stevens in the abolition movement about making concessions for the further progress of the goal. His compass shows true North but it doesn't show the swamps and ravines along the way. If you get stopped by obstacles in the path, what good is knowing true north? I agree with him here; your goal is right but your methods are not a recipe for success.

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    1. You're wrong, Walt. An executioner does not carry out a death sentence with malice aforethought.

      And I will continue to use the Word of God as my guide, and not Spielberg movies laces with blasphemy. God's Word sets the standard and definition of what murder is, regardless of whether or not man's laws use words like "illegal."

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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    2. "God's Word sets the standard and definition of what murder is, regardless of whether or not man's laws use words like "illegal." "

      But when God does it, you don't have a problem right? You believe that the flood actually happened, so you believe that God killed a number of pregnant women, along with, in your eyes, their "unborn babies". But that isn't murder in your eyes, right? All the killing of children, "born and unborn", done by God or ordered by God, isn't murder, right?

      I suspect you won't answer this what if question (or allow the post), but I'll ask anyway; if you were convinced that God wanted you to slaughter children or pregnant women, would you do it? If you do answer, Tony, thanks. If you don't, thanks for that, too. It'll just confirm what I think.

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    3. You ask a question based on a false presupposition--the presupposition that man is good. Man is not good. The Bible testifies to this reality over and over again.

      God has never murdered anyone. Since there is not a sinless person among us, regardless of age, for every person is conceived and born with a sin nature. When God destroyed the world and killed all but eight people, His actions were holy, righteous, and just.

      God would remain perfect in His character if he rid the world of evil, which would mean wiping the vast majority of people off the face of the earth. In fact, I have a question for you? If God were to read the world of evil at Midnight tonight, where would you be at 12:01?

      I can also tell be the way your word your questions that you are not a Christian, so you are incapable of understanding anything I am saying on a spiritual level? Why? You are spiritually blind to that which is spiritually appraised (1 Cor. 2:13-14), and you are dead in your sin (Eph. 2:1-5).

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    4. No, I'm not a Christian. And you are free to think and believe what you want. You are free to express those thoughts and beliefs. But I will continue to fight you, and those like you, legally and politically.

      By the way, I'll gladly answer your question if you answer mine.

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    5. Tony, I just saw that I had changed my screen name to my initials. This is "Rufus". I didn't mean to mislead you. Sorry about that.

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    6. I believe your question was fully answered. God, as the Creator, Jehovah Elohim, had the right to destroy that which He created and which became evil and had turned it's back on His love, grace and mercy. You spoke of the flood and the unborn babies drowned at the time of the flood. As Tony pointed out, based on the Word of God and what it reveals, NO-ONE is born sin-free and so when God destroyed the Earth and all that was in it BOTH times, but more specifically in Noah's time, which you were referring to, God did so from a LEGAL standpoint of holiness, righteousness and justification. However, we find Him being even MORE just in that because there was ONE righteous man on the Earth, He did NOT destroy him, but saved him AND his family so that they could continue to fill the Earth as was His initial mandate to Adam and Eve.

      We have absolutely NO CONCEPT of the level of evil on the Earth in the world at Noah's time and so your question is pointless in that you would stand in judgement of the Creator of the Universe, but thereby bring YOURSELF into judgement by Him. So God did NOT MURDER the evil, sinful people of the Earth of Noah's time, but brought His RIGHTEOUS judgement upon them for their evil deeds. So no, when God killed evil, sinful people He was NOT murdering them.

      Now perhaps you will answer Tony's question? If God's judgement were to fall on the entire Earth, the world, at midnight tonight, WHERE WILL YOU BE AT 12:01?

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    7. I wasn't speaking to you, but I meant this question: " if you were convinced that God wanted you to slaughter children or pregnant women, would you do it?" How about you?

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    8. TJH: Ultimately, God is not subject to the every law he made for men.

      He commanded man not to take the life of other men. But God is not like us. He has the right to take away life as well as give it. And He always does so righteously.

      The fact is this - IF GOD were NOT to take our lives, that would be a terrible punishment as we would be stuck in this dying, decaying world forever. But God, in His mercy has offered Jesus Christ as a sacrifice for sinners so that we may enjoy eternal life. I hope you will realize your great sin debt before Him and repent and turn to Christ for forgiveness because of His finished work and resurrection!

      Thanks for commenting, you are one of the more respectful "dissenters" I've seen in the 'net.'

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    9. "Thanks for commenting, you are one of the more respectful "dissenters" I've seen in the 'net.'"

      No, I'm only playing by Miano's rules.

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    10. TJH,

      if you were convinced that God wanted you to slaughter children or pregnant women, would you do it?

      Read this please.

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    11. Yes, I've read things like that before. I just like to get Christians to either say that they would do it, or to watch them be inconsistent. Saying that they would do it is what is scary.

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    12. TJH - you do a fine job playing by the rules.

      I would do whatever God wanted me to do. I hope that I am always convinced only of His Truth, especially considering your question.

      It is notable that thousands of crimes and wrongs have been committed in the name of "what someone was convinced God wanted."

      But more notable is that, even contrary to the very concept of murder we are discussing here, By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was in the act of offering up his only son, of whom it was said, “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” He considered that God was able even to raise him from the dead, from which, figuratively speaking, he did receive him back. (Hebrews 11:17-19 ESV)

      So would I slaughter children or pregnant woman if God told me to do it? Of course. His sovereignty reigns above my judgement, and it is that faith that was accounted to Abraham and to me as righteousness.

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    13. And how would we know; how would you know for sure that it was "God" telling you to do it?

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    14. In your hypothetical situation, I don't know exactly how we would know. Maybe you wouldn't know, in fact.

      One way you would know God DIDN'T tell me would be if God contradicted Himself yet maintained that He could not lie.

      But again, how would you know God said that? You wouldn't. That's one of the problems with conditionals within hypotheticals.

      Now, your real question (if I may be so bold) is HOW DO I PROPOSE TO KNOW WHAT GOD HAS SAID in this current non-hypothetical?

      I take it on faith that God has spoken and it has been carefully recorded in the Bible. I was not always this way; I vehemently denied this for 3 decades. But that is my understanding now.

      But just like in the analogy you gave, "we" don't know for sure that it was God...I know...but you do not. I cannot convince you of this. All I can hope for is that you would listen enough to learn why these things make sense to me and maybe God would use me to open your eyes to Truths you are not seeing.

      Note, this isn't an attack on your intelligence, but a recognition of your spiritual blindness which is independent of intelligence.

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    15. I . . . just . . . wow. You are so frightening. If you have convinced yourself, or been convinced, you would do anything as long as you believe it's "God's" will. And if someone doesn't agree with you they're "spiritually blind". You can believe what you want; you can speak and preach; but I will fight you legally and politically. and, if it unfortunately came down to it, I would fight physically. I hope it never does.

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    16. TJH said,

      and, if it unfortunately came down to it, I would fight physically.

      Let me use your words, changing only a small bit, to apply your line of reasoning to your own statement:

      I...just...wow. You are so frightening. If you have convinced yourself, or been convinced, you would do anything as long as you believe it's "right". And if someone doesn't agree with you they're "frightening".

      TJH, I hope you can see by the above, in which I used your words with only a few small changes, that you're being arbitrary and very inconsistent, and you are using special pleading to justify your actions, will, and view of "right."

      And then, to top it all off, you talk about using violence, the very thing you are supposed to be arguing against here.

      Of course, it's right for you to use violence, when your god tells you it's "right." That's what you're saying here.

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    17. No, I'll never deliberately slaughter women and children, and justify it by saying God told me to do it.

      And use, under extreme circumstances, I would reluctantly use violence. As the ultimate last resort. I've used it before. But I will never use "God" to try to justify it.

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    18. TJH -

      1. Read Justin's comment above.
      2. Think about it and realize you are refuting yourself.
      3. If you don't come to that conclusion, repeat steps 1 & 2.

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  6. Well stated Tony. I think you made a very good point that because abortion is legal, Christians don't consider it murder. Not really. Life is not always life if the circumstance changes. Christians playing God as to who's life is more valuable based on circumstance (health, age, danger, rape)even if by "pragmatic principle" (they may never have had or assisted one in getting an abortion) is approving of murder. As long as its legal, Christians will for the most part be what I call Situational Abortionists. In this Post-Modern society, even "Christians" have been deceived into thinking that all abortion is NOT BAD. They think that abortion is ok on some level, and THAT is why so many continuously compromise at the voting booths. Instead of standing on the Scriptures without wavering and submitting to it even in the most difficult circumstances, they dismiss it and rebel against it. They are, I guess, Situtational Christians; that is to say, they love and obey Scripture and the Lord Jesus Christ when its convenient. I'm grieved over Christians, who are supposed to be stalwarts of biblical principles and values, are the first to GIVE UP BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES, when it comes to voting (any candidate that is a situational pro-abortionist is NOT pro-life, but only pro-abortion and anyone voting for such a person is not pro-life b/c they do not vote (act) consistent with that "value"). It just goes to show that principles aren't principles and values aren't values at all, but merely opinions to toss aside when inconvenient. I cannot tell you how it truly grieves my heart. I believe this mentality is the reason so many claim Christ as "Lord" yet do not obey what HE says (by His grace and the power of the Holy Spirit--there is no sinless perfection here on earth, just to be clear). So really, this mindset goes beyond one issue--I'd say really it is the heart of all the compromise by "Evangelical Christians" today.

    I wonder, Tony, if these same Christians would also allow for legalized porn and pedophilia (yes they are working on removing this off the Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorders) on some level--in "certain" circumstance be it age and/or consent? Would they? If they are consistent, they must. I would hope at this point they would NOT and thus remain at least inconsistent. But I fear even THAT will change b/c of the lukewarm hearts who worship Self and Circumstance rather than Christ.

    In Christ Alone,

    Denise

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  7. *Situational Pro-Abortionists* would be a bit more clarifying in my previous post.

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  8. AMEN, Tony! AMEN, AMEN, AMEN! VERY well written! I'll be sharing and praying that my FB friends consider ALL that you have said.

    I must add, however, that even though Walt's intentions may sound all warm and fuzzy, all that he suggests has already been applied for decades, and quite unsuccessfully. 3,000 babies still die every day. Until a person sees their own wretchedness and depravity, man will continue to murder innocents in the womb. "[Teaching] people why it's harmful" IS found in the Gospel! The most loving and God-honoring thing we can do is tell them what is "harmful" by telling them what they bring upon their eternal soul by committing the act: first by willingly committing the sin with malice and aforethought, then receiving no earthly judgment for it because man refuses to acknowledge it as murder, and ultimately receiving God's judgment - eternal damnation in hell for refusing to repent. We are compelled to give the Gospel, but we must never whitewash it or water it down, nor ever exclude the consequences that God clearly reveals in 1Tim 1:8-11 and Rev 21:7-8.

    The problem with Walt's premise is that it leaves no room for justice here on earth. And as has already been proven in our legal system, as long as there is no punishment for the civil laws that God established for us and expected us to obey, there will never be any fear to compel people to not follow through with the abortion.

    Once again, thank you for standing up for the unborn, Tony, and doing it from a Biblical and God-honoring position.

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  9. Great article with wonderful points. I am an anti-abortion and pro-life mother. While, raised during the '70's and '80s feminist movements, I became aware of the truth of God's Word when my daughter was born with severe birth defects and special needs. The geneticist said that if we were to have another child testing would indicate whether that "fetus" had the same "genetic defect" and we could "terminate the pregnancy". Our daughter shines the light of Christ to those around her; she is our special blessing.

    I have one question Tony, where does life begin? If we consider it at conception, does that not make many forms of birth control in our modern society as murder of something God created? What is the difference (theologically and morally) between the birth control pill and the "morning after" pill? Or are we not defining life until the baby is implanted in the womb - but it cells have been dividing creating a baby for days prior to that.

    Thanks for any response you are willing to give.

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    1. Elizabeth, you are correct. I believe the biblical view would be that life starts at conception, when God miraculously unites an egg and a sperm, in my opinion, regardless of where that occurs (e.g., the womb, fallopian tubes, test tube).

      And yes, MANY forms of birth control are actually "abortifacients." This is a fancy word I learned years ago for elements which will often prevent conception or ovulation, but will also KILL a fertilized egg.

      The morning after pill and birth control pill have scientific differences in their approach, but each one has the potential to kill a human being created in God's image. The morning after pill, though, is seemingly ALWAYS used to kill a human who was potentially created out of a sexual encounter, whereas the BC pill is often used to prevent conception altogether, and not always for the sake of promiscuity. It seems the BC pill's murder is a by product or side effect of its use. (which doesn't excuse it).

      Grace and peace to you. Praise God for your testimony and your daughter's.

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  10. The phrase "malice aforethought" doesn't come out of the Bible - it comes out of human laws. If you use the definitions common to English speakers you may more successfully communicate to other English speakers. Forgive me for using an analogy you found offensive. I don't know you well enough to know that would offend you. Let me try it this way. 1 Peter 3:15 tells us that our answers should be with grace and respect. Do you think the woman who killed her baby (potentially without your requisite malice-as with the executioner) feels reapected? Did you give her grace (better than she deserved)?

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  11. Amen Tony...well written and know that you were in the Word and prayed much before you put your pen to paper and posted this.

    If those of us who call ourselves Christians will take the time to really read what you wrote...each one of us should be humbled, broken and on our knees before God and asking His forgiveness.

    Thank you Tony for jerking my chain and causing me to seek God...again.
    Blessings Brother and keep honoring God in all you do for Him.
    Joshua 1:9
    Debby

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  12. Aunt Karen, I respectfully disagree that we have been effectively teaching people that the unborn is a living human. Maybe where you are but here in California people are still shocked to learn that is medically and scientifically fact that life begins at conception. That ignorance should give us pause before we condemn to death as murderers people who thought they were removing an apendage. My goal is to save lives and to spare as victims potential abortive mothers the trauma of killing her child. That comes from making a factual case in a respectful way in my experience. We can make an argument against abortion that even the unsaved can agree with. But getting dogmatic about words like "murder" rather than using "killing" doesn't gain you an audience with those that don't already agree. Come the day when everyone knows that abortion kills a human being it will become illegal. Striving to make it illegal when more than 50% of our citizens still think of it like a hysterectomy is not a way to save lives in my opinion. When the day comes that it's illegal (soon please Lord Jesus) then I will call it murder.

    TJH: God cannot murder as he is the creator. The creator has complete rights to do with his creation whatever he wants. We are all his.

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  13. "An executioner does not carry out a death sentence with malice aforethought."

    Untrue. They do have premeditation to swing the axe, pull the lever to the gallows, flip the switch to the chair, etc.

    When you call abortion murder, you are being very disingenuous. Murder is the *unlawful* killing of a human being. Abortion is lawful ergo it can not be murder.

    "You ask a question based on a false presupposition--the presupposition that man is good. Man is not good. "

    Your presupposition is baseless as well Tony. And I can demonstrate that man is basically good. If we were not basically good, civilization would have collapsed thousands of years ago. So, your claim that man is not good is therefore refuted.

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    1. You haven't refuted anything. You have merely asserted your opinion.

      The killing of unborn children is unlawful in God's eyes. Therefore it is murder.

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    2. Exactly where in the bible does it condemn the killing of unborn children? At best it says they are property.

      According to Jewish law, a fetus is not considered a full human being and has no rights of its own.

      While recognizing the potentiality of becoming human, Rashi, the great 12th century commentator on the Bible and Talmud, states clearly of the fetus “lav nefesh hu – it is not a person.” The Talmud contains the expression “ubar yerech imo – the fetus is as the thigh of its mother,” i.e., the fetus is deemed to be part and parcel of the pregnant women’s body.

      The Jewish legal interpretation of Exodus 21:22 states specifically that only monetary compensation is necessary for one who causes the death of a fetus. The unborn fetus is not worthy of the “life for life” punishment demanded if the woman herself is killed.

      So, the people to whom the law was actually given to say that a fetus is not a person, killing a fetus is *not murder* and is only viewed as property in the eyes of your God. Under Jewish Biblical exegesis, **abortion is not deemed murder.**

      In fact ancient jewish law *mandates* abortion in some cases. A core text in rabbinic law crystallizes the status of the fetus. The Mishna explicitly indicates that one **must abort a fetus if the continuation of pregnancy might imperil the life of the woman.** So, your God's "chosen people" says that your God *mandates** that abortion must be performed should the life of the mother be at risk as not having an abortion is tantamount to **suicide**.

      Further proving my point, Jewish mourning rites do not apply to an dead fetus.

      But you says that God always views the killing of the unborn as unlawful. Is this really true? Let's explore.

      Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. How is this not God performing abortions on request of a mere mortal?

      Numbers 5:11-21 is the description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. It sounds remarkably like an abortion.

      Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. So, it seems that your God thinks that the killing of the unborn is just fine!

      So, clearly and unequivocally it is a Christian invention that abortion is murder. And no where in the NT can this claim be substantiated.

      But is your crusade against abortion what your God wants?? Not according to Romans 13: 1-7 “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

      Well, the authorities that *your God* supposedly put into power have made it clear that abortion is *not murder*, is legal, and allowed. That you disagree means you are in rebellion against your God and risking His judgement against you.

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    3. Exactly where in the bible does it condemn the killing of unborn children? At best it says they are property.

      According to Jewish law, a fetus is not considered a full human being and has no rights of its own.

      While recognizing the potentiality of becoming human, Rashi, the great 12th century commentator on the Bible and Talmud, states clearly of the fetus “lav nefesh hu – it is not a person.” The Talmud contains the expression “ubar yerech imo – the fetus is as the thigh of its mother,” i.e., the fetus is deemed to be part and parcel of the pregnant women’s body.

      The Jewish legal interpretation of Exodus 21:22 states specifically that only monetary compensation is necessary for one who causes the death of a fetus. The unborn fetus is not worthy of the “life for life” punishment demanded if the woman herself is killed.

      So, the people to whom the law was actually given to say that a fetus is not a person, killing a fetus is *not murder* and is only viewed as property in the eyes of your God. Under Jewish Biblical exegesis, **abortion is not deemed murder.**

      In fact ancient jewish law *mandates* abortion in some cases. A core text in rabbinic law crystallizes the status of the fetus. The Mishna explicitly indicates that one **must abort a fetus if the continuation of pregnancy might imperil the life of the woman.** So, your God's "chosen people" says that your God *mandates** that abortion must be performed should the life of the mother be at risk as not having an abortion is tantamount to **suicide**.

      Further proving my point, Jewish mourning rites do not apply to an dead fetus.

      But you says that God always views the killing of the unborn as unlawful. Is this really true? Let's explore.

      Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. How is this not God performing abortions on request of a mere mortal?

      Numbers 5:11-21 is the description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. It sounds remarkably like an abortion.

      Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. So, it seems that your God thinks that the killing of the unborn is just fine!

      So, clearly and unequivocally it is a Christian invention that abortion is murder. And no where in the NT can this claim be substantiated.

      But is your crusade against abortion what your God wants?? Not according to Romans 13: 1-7 “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

      Well, the authorities that *your God* supposedly put into power have made it clear that abortion is *not murder*, is legal, and allowed. That you disagree means you are in rebellion against your God and risking His judgement against you.

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    4. If people want to comment and leave their email address, Tony or one of his friends will be happy to explain the above passages for which the anonymous commenter has twisted the interpretation.

      We realize that there are honest people out there who may be confused about these passages and we will be happy to explore the scripture and teach you if you want.

      Hosea 13, Numbers 5, Hosea 9, Romans 13, Exodus 21

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